50 Shades Of Biblical Marriage

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Occasionally we see something interesting, like the popularity of the “50 Shades of Grey” novels and movie. While it can’t be denied that the entire thing is a feminist fantasy of the woman taming her alpha, why did it generate such a fascination with Dominance/submission relationships? There is obviously a desire to claim women are a lot more kinky than anyone would believe, but that isn’t it.

Are Women Confused?

Recently the subject of a Dominant/submissive relationship came up and a woman of my acquaintance said:

 

I don’t believe in obeying a man. I do believe in respecting him. And because of that, would try to do as he wishes. But I would still retain my right to choose.
To be honest, I do fall into that group of women that prefers to let the man be in charge. But I do not choose to be with somebody who wants to exert complete control and will not allow me to have a voice. But I would not play a submissive to anyone’s dominant. That’s just not me. But I enjoyed reading about it. More in a voyeuristic role. (Referencing 50 Shades)

 

Notice the complete incoherence of that statement. She prefers the man to be in charge, but doesn’t want to obey him. She would try to do as he wishes but refuses to accept any authority on his part to tell her what to do. In other words, she reserves the right to do as she damn well pleases and probably expects him to pick up the pieces afterward. But it isn’t that simple.
On further investigation, she was married to multiple cringe-worthy men who she rapidly became disgusted with. It’s no surprise the marriages fell apart, but there are two sides of this, his behavior and her behavior.
“I do not choose to be with somebody who wants to exert complete control and will not allow me to have a voice.”
That word “wants” is critical. The fact he “wants” it means he doesn’t have it. She didn’t believe he was worthy of it so she didn’t give it to him. Part of the problem is this attitude represents women who settled for a man they were not attracted to, part of it is that she cannot separate the man from the rank. We don’t salute the man, we salute the rank.
This conflation of the man with the rank is exemplified by marriage today in the refusal of women to recognize that the husband’s rank is superior to that of the wife. Very much like officers and enlisted, no matter how “high” the wife’s rank might rise to be, she will never outrank her husband because husband is always superior to wife.
The problem is the legal system has been altered to change the rank system and put the wife in a superior position to her husband. This is part of the reason we see marriages blowing up everywhere and most women are miserable in their marriage. This is easily observable.

Modern Marriage Emasculates Men

I’ve written enough about socially imposed monogamous marriage and the fact that today, polygyny is a better deal for both the men and the women so I won’t make the point again here. While one problem with marriage today is that it’s monogamous and gives the woman a monopoly over her husband that creates boredom and frustration, the problem is much greater.
The legal structure of modern marriage and the power the state has over marriage is designed to put women in the power position and give them great power over their husband to the point of emasculating him. Like children, women claim to want this power in the same way that children want lots of candy. And, like a steady diet of candy, over time it’s disgusting and makes the women sick.
Women (as a group) don’t want to give up their power over marriage and their ability to divorce-rape men, but at the same time they want a dominant masculine man. This should be looked at in the same way that women might think that abortion is horrible, but they don’t want the option taken off the table because they might need it one day. Those are mutually incompatible desires, so what can they do? They look for some kind of relationship in which they can get the kind of man they really want.
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The Fascination With Dom/sub Relationships

Women will do amazing things for a man they are highly attracted to, but what happens when they live in a culture in which they don’t encounter attractive men? A culture in which the women are participating in the process of destroying any masculinity boys and young men might develop? Just because the dominant men are rare doesn’t mean women stop wanting them. The only question is what they’re willing to pay to get one.
It appears the fundamental desire women have for dominant, masculine men is being channeled into what we’d think of as kink. They look around and don’t see any masculine men so they think they should get into a Dom/sub relationship.

A Dom/sub relationship is a modern
facsimile of a Biblical marriage.

The institution of marriage has been wrecked by the false doctrine of equalism, the idea that men and women are equal. What is the hallmark of a Dom/sub relationship? Inequality. There is equity, but the sub is not the Dom’s equal and that is the foundation of the relationship dynamic. In fact, there are four critical points of a Dom/sub relationship.
  1. The Dom (man) controls the relationship, meaning he has complete responsibility.
  2. Within the framework of Dom/sub, the rules are negotiable in the beginning.
  3. Both the Dom and sub have rights and responsibilities within the relationship.
  4. There is no outside person or entity with authority over the relationship.
The feminist empowerment fantasy of “50 Shades of Grey” is wrapped in kink, but it derives its power from the fact that after marriage a divorce court could give Anastasia half of everything Christian owns and order him to pay millions each year in child support. The moment a marriage occurred, the Dom/sub relationship in which Christian was the Dom ended and Anastasia became the Dominant one with the power of the State behind her. The truth is “50 Shades” is not about Dom/sub, it’s about the woman taming her alpha, bending him and breaking him to her will.
Is it wrong for women to be looking for something like that? If feminism were correct, wouldn’t women be happy to enter marriages in which they have the power to break their husband’s balls? As it turns out, the fascination with D/s relationships is truly ironic because the standards for marriage drawn from the Bible look amazingly like a Dom/sub contract, minus the kink.

Rules For the Biblical
Dom/sub Relationship Called Marriage:

  1. The act of penetrative sexual intercourse is required to begin the relationship. If the woman is a virgin sex automatically begins the relationship. If she is not a virgin but otherwise eligible, she must agree to the relationship prior to the sex initiating the relationship.
  2. The commitment standard of the man is permanent, which means that once given he cannot rescind his commitment (regardless of her behavior). His commitment is non-exclusive, which means that at his discretion he may bring other women into the relationship at any time.
  3. The commitment standard of the woman is permanent and she is bound to her man for as long as he lives. Her commitment is exclusive, which means that he is her one and only. No-one can have two masters.
  4. The relationship between the man and women is one of master-servant, or ruler-subject. The man is to rule his women and has complete authority over them, over every aspect of their lives, in everything.
  5. The man is required to love his women. This love is defined as holding them accountable for good behavior and requiring their obedience. When they transgress he is required to rebuke and discipline them.
  6. Part of this accountability is his obligation to review any and every agreement she makes with others. If he desires he may say nothing and let it stand but if he does not like it he is to forbid it in the day he hears of it.
  7. The woman is to submit to her man in everything, no exceptions. Her submission is not dependent on her opinion of his behavior or his actual behavior.
  8. If the man is displaying bad behavior the woman is to submit to him without a word and win him over with her quiet and chaste conduct.
  9. Sex is to be on demand and the woman’s body belongs to the man. Likewise, the man is to ensure that the women’s sexual needs are met.
  10. Sexual activity such as masturbation, oral, vaginal or anal is all at the discretion of the man.
  11. The woman is required to live with her man in order that he might meet his responsibility to hold her accountable for her behavior.
  12. If the woman chooses to violate requirement #11 and leave her man, she is to remain single (chaste) or be reconciled to her man.
  13. If the woman has left her man in violation of these rules, she still retains the right of return. If she returns in complete submission to him, the man is required to accept her return to the relationship and cannot refuse to be reconciled to her.
  14. The women are not required to love their man but they are required to respect him, obey him and submit to him.
  15. Women are encouraged to call their man “Master” without being frightened by any fear.
  16. As part of the women’s requirement to respect their man, it is appropriate to treat him as if they were enlisted persons and he was a commissioned officer. Call him “Sir” and be respectful in language and posture, as well as giving an appropriate “salute” such as a bow of the head or kiss on the cheek when that is appropriate.
  17. Women are owned by their man and required to remain faithful to him, although masturbation and sexual activity with other women are allowed at his discretion.
  18. The man may have sex with any woman outside the relationship that he is eligible to marry, except for prostitutes.
  19. The women must not have vaginal intercourse while they are menstruating.
  20. Vaginal intercourse is forbidden following childbirth for a period of 40 days if the child was a boy and 80 days for a girl.
  21. Any other rules are negotiable or at the discretion of the husband.
NB: Yes, those really are the rules and yes, the Bible really does say that. I changed some wording around, but the meaning was not tampered with at all.

The Sin Of Adam

The Separation
In a previous post I touched on the judgment of Eve, but up until now we haven’t looked at what happened with Adam. What, exactly was Adam’s sin? Better yet, why is it that the Bible is very specific that it was Adam who sinned, not Eve?
If men and women were equal then Eve is the one who sinned. Yes, she was completely deceived, but she still disobeyed and violated the one rule that God gave them. Both Adam and Eve ate of the fruit they were commanded not to eat of, but only Adam is credited with the sin, so what was it that Adam did? You will hear preachers tell you that Adam knowingly disobeyed God while Eve was deceived, as if being deceived is an excuse. What Eve did was disobedience while what Adam did was rebellion. There is a difference.
Adam had responsibilities because God placed him in charge of the entire earth and everything that dwelled on the earth. His mission was to take control of the earth. And Adam knew that God had said “In the day you eat of [the fruit] you shall surely die.”
Satan used Eve as a tool to take down Adam. If you think of it in terms of chess, Adam was put in check and his only way out was to allow his queen to be taken. Instead of analyzing the situation with his mission in mind and realizing that his queen was already taken, Adam tipped his king and gave up the game.

Adam Surrendered

To hell with his command, to hell with everything, when Adam saw that his wife had eaten of the fruit, he decided to commit suicide. He decided he would rather die with his wife than continue with his mission. He abdicated. He quit.
What Adam did was not mere disobedience, it was rebellion and treason against his King. Obedience is following orders. Eve disobeyed, but as the record indicates, that wasn’t that much of a problem. The reason is that obedience and submission are not the same. Obedience is following orders, submission is accepting the authority of the one giving the orders and accepting the consequences for disobedience. Disobedience is not necessarily rebellion, but the refusal to submit is legitimate authority is always rebellion.
Adam’s act of rebellion was to reject his mission and refuse to do his job. In committing spiritual suicide he abdicated his position as the federal head of creation, giving Satan that authority. But we can’t blame Eve for this, it was Adam who decided that he’d rather die with his wife than do his job. To hell with his mission, he had oneitis so bad that he decided to commit suicide.

Is There More To The Story?

We don’t know whether Adam knew that the death God was speaking of was spiritual death rather than physical death, but we might have some clues. Consider that Adam and Eve walked with God in the cool of the evening and they were naked and unashamed. They were in the presence of God.
Exodus 34:29-35 tells the story of Moses going into the presence of God and as a result he glowed. What the text says is that his face glowed, but we know that Moses was wearing clothing. We also know that Moses was born in sin and repeatedly disobeyed God. Christ, however, was born without sin and never committed any sin. Matthew 17:1-8 tells the story of the transfiguration of Christ and says “His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.”
Adam and Eve were naked and unashamed. Was it because the Glory of God shown from within them and their skin shined like the sun? We don’t know because the text does not tell us. But we can imagine how Adam might have felt to see his wife for the first time as that glow died and her skin no longer shone like the sun.
What we do know is that Adam made the decision to follow her into death. In doing so he abdicated his position and surrendered on seeing the first casualty of the battle. Adam fell on his own sword and with his spiritual death allowed Satan to become the prince of this world.
You might look at this and think “Only a complete asshole could look at his wife dying before his eyes and not want to do something.” The problem was that Adam was not a complete asshole, he wasn’t even a garden variety asshole. What he chose to do was emotionally selfish and the behavior of a prick.

Command Has No Friends

From Falkenberg’s Legion, by Jerry Pournelle. Read the chapter to get the context because it’s perfect for this discussion as it relates the concept of command to a relationship with a woman.

“Command can have no friends, Miss Horton… The reason command has no friends is not merely to spare the commander the pain of sending friends to their death. If you haven’t learned the rest of it, learn it now, because some day you’ll have to betray either your friends or your command, and that’s a choice worth avoiding.”

Adam betrayed his command in favor of his wife.
It should be noted that wives are not commanded to obey their husband, they are commanded to submit to him. Likewise, they are not commanded to love their husband, they are commanded to respect him.
Husbands are commanded to love their wives and that love is defined as being the the way Christ loves His church. Christ’s love for His church is described as a sacrificial love in Ephesians 5:25-29. The only two specific examples of how Christ loves His church are found in Hebrews 12:5-7 and Revelation 3:19. The word that sums it up is discipline. Wives are commanded to submit to their husband and husbands are commanded to hold their wives accountable, rebuking and disciplining them when necessary.
Which is what a good commander does. And command can have no friends.

Marriage, Whores and Churchians

The Wedding Ceremony as designed by God
No doubt more than a few Bible College students will get their panties in a wad reading this, but the truth is like that: sometimes it hurts. There is only one question you need to answer: Do you fear God? That really is the only question.
If you don’t fear God, that raises the question of why. If it’s because you “don’t believe” in God, that’s OK. Everyone has the right to be stupid and I’ll confess, I’ve been there. Once upon a time I drank enough tequila that I thought I was bulletproof, so I do understand. This post isn’t for you because you’re dealing with other issues. Stupidity is like that.
If you have faith that you have nothing to fear from God because your boyfriend Jesus will forgive you no matter what you do, this post is probably going to upset you but you need to hear it. Because Jesus isn’t your boyfriend and there are no rainbow-farting unicorns.
If you are one of those who claims to be a Christian but still worries about going to hell, keep reading. Your theology is off, but hopefully your mind is open.
For any of you professional churchians or students at seminary or Bible college who are training to be professional churchians, this is important:
Just because you believe the lies you were taught doesn’t make them true.

Religion Is the Original Power and Control Racket

Controlling a persons sexuality is to control the person, the family and the culture.
If you look at the Bible, the major sin of the Old Testament was idolatry.
The major “gods” of idolatry were Baal, Asharoth and Molech. Baal and Asharoth were fertility gods and part of the worship was sex.
We get a glimpse into this in Genesis 38 with the story of Judah and Tamar, his daughter-in-law. Tamar had been married to Er, who did evil in the sight of the Lord and was killed for it. Tamar was given to Onan, Er’s brother, in order to fulfill his duty to give her a son so that Er’s name might continue. Onan didn’t like that so when having sex with Tamar he pulled out and “spilled his seed upon the ground” in order that she might not get pregnant. This angered the Lord and He killed Onan for that. Judah was left with one other son, Shelah. He told Tamar to go wait in her father’s house and later she would be given to Shelah when he was grown up.
When Shelah had grown up Tamar saw that Judah had not given her to Shelah, so after Judah’s wife died, she put on a veil and pretended to be a temple prostitute on the side of the road. Judah came along and had sex with her, she conceived and he became the father of her twins. She became part of the genealogy of Christ with that act. What did Judah think he was doing?

When Judah saw her, he thought she wasa harlot, for she had covered her face.

There are a lot of nuances to that story, but what I want to point out is that she hid her face with a veil and because of this everyone believed her to be a temple prostitute. From this we get the idea that ordinary women, wives and daughters, could hide their face with a veil and have sex with strange men as part of the worship of Baal and Asharoth. Worship involves offerings and the women accepted payment (offerings) from the men in return for the act of providing their body. They were temple prostitutes or cult prostitutes as a matter of function, but otherwise they were ordinary women. Wives, mothers and daughters. Look at verses 20-22:

When Judah sent the young goat by his friend the Adullamite, to receive the pledge from the woman’s hand, he did not find her. He asked the men of her place, saying, “Where is the temple prostitute who was by the road at Enaim?” But they said, “There has been no temple prostitute here.” So he returned to Judah, and said, “I did not find her; and furthermore, the men of the place said, ‘There has been no temple prostitute here.’

Notice what was said of Tamar when her pregnancy became apparent:

“Your daughter-in-law Tamar has played the harlot, and behold, she is also with child by harlotry.”

What Was Judah’s Sin? What Was Tamar’s Sin?

The Apostle Paul explained this in Romans 4:15 and Romans 5:13 (emphasis added).

15. “for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
13. “for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.”

Centuries before the Law, neither Judah or Tamar sinned in their actions. Over and over again the reader will encounter pastors and others who claim that Judah and Tamar committed adultery (Deuteronomy 22:22-24Tamar was betrothed to Shelah) and incest (Leviticus 18:15Judah was Tamar’s father-in-law) without bothering to note that the Law was not given to the people until some 400 years later. As it is written, “sin is not imputed when there is no law.”
If we were to apply the Law, it gets even more interesting. From the context, we see that “playing the harlot” is cult prostitution and the sin would be idolatry, not sex outside of marriage. The reason is while idolatry is forbidden by God, sex outside of marriage is not. Tamar was twice a widow, then betrothed to Shelah, but her father-in-law violated her betrothal agreement, a violation of Numbers 30:2. While churchians hold that the “sin” of Tamar was incest, she committed no sin. Even though she violated the cultural mores, as Judah said of her, “she is more righteous than I am.”
As to having sex with whores, all this occurred about two millennia prior to the regulation forbidding such a thing and that applied only to Christian men (1st Corinthians 6:15-16). We see that Samson, a Nazarite, used prostitutes and did not violate his Nazarite vow to be Holy to the Lord. Now I realize that you boys and girls from Millar Bible College will be outraged at that, the very idea of remaining Holy to the Lord while banging whores is just something you can’t handle. And I know that you’ll fire up Google and find others who agree with you, but there’s one problem with that, which is the text of Judges 16:1.

Now Samson went to Gaza and saw a harlot there, and went in to her.

The word translated as “harlot” is “zanah” of which I’ve written before and in this sense it means she was a whore. A prostitute. A woman who spread her legs and provided sex for payment. She was not described as a “qadesh” (cult prostitute or a temple prostitute) but rather as a simple prostitute. You should know that in Deuteronomy 23:17 the men and women were forbidden to be a “qadesh” but the “zanah” prostitution was never forbidden.
Many have a hard time with this because “zanah” is translated as adultery, idolatry, sexual idolatry and ordinary prostitution. Adultery and idolatry are forbidden, ordinary prostitution is not forbidden. Therefore, according to the Apostle Paul, while adultery and idolatry are sins, ordinary prostitution is not a sin.
I must presume you boys and girls in Bible College don’t have much experience with whores, which is a good thing, but you need to understand that there is only one reason a man goes to see a whore and that’s to get his dick wet. He wants sex and she provides sex for payment. The context of the word “bo” (Strong’s 935) that is translated as “went in to her” is indicated by the fact the woman in question is a common prostitute.
Some churchians try hard to claim Samson didn’t have sex with her, that in that day the only boarding houses were with prostitutes. Implied is that when people were traveling they went to the local whores for a place to stay, using Joshua 2:1 as an example. Except that they didn’t. They went to the village or town and expected to be given hospitality by someone at the gate or in the square (Genesis 19:2-3; Judges 19:15). Churchians also claim the word “bo” means that he entered her house, not that he entered her body. Except that we see the word “bo” is associated with or used to mean sexual intercourse frequently. Some examples:
  • Adam and Eve: Genesis 2:22
  • Abraham and Hagar: Genesis 16:2, 16:4
  • Lot and his daughters: Genesis 19:33, 34
  • Jacob and Leah: Genesis 29:23
  • Jacob and Rachel: Genesis 29:30
  • Jacob and Bilhah: Genesis 30:3
  • Judah and his wife: Genesis 38:2
  • Onan and Tamar: Genesis 38:9
  • Judah and Tamar: Genesis 38:16, 18
So not only does God not make a prohibition against banging whores in the Law, we see Samson the Judge, a member of the Hebrews “hall of fame” having sex with whores and not violating his Nazerite vow to be Holy to the Lord. And since I mentioned the Hebrews Hall of Fame, who else do we see there but the harlot Rahab? Being a legitimate prostitute is not a sin because nowhere in Scripture did God forbid any woman, Christian or non-Christian, from being a prostitute. That, however, is ordinary prostitution.

Idolatry and Ordinary Women “Playing the Harlot”

The other type of prostitution was being a temple whore, which is kind of what women do nowadays in terms of sexual promiscuity and adultery. Keep in mind that no-one was forcing women to do this, the religious/idolatry system provided women with a cultural excuse to exercise their hypergamy. This appealed to both men and women in different ways but the end result was idolatry. That system of idolatry gave power to the priests and leaders. By taking part in that system, the system became part of people’s lives and established the morality of their actions.
Interestingly, we see in Leviticus 21:9 that if the daughter of a priest engaged in temple prostitution she was to be burned with fire because she not only profaned herself, she profaned her father as well. Knowing that a woman who gave her virginity to a man was married to him, it follows that the daughter who goes out, hides her face and acts as a temple prostitute is married to the first man and commits adultery with every subsequent man. Which is more or less what the women of today are doing, temple prostitutes for feminism.
Keep in mind that the root of “culture” is the word “cult” and it describes a common belief system. Once a system of cultural mores involving sexuality was in place, God’s solution was to wipe the people out. All through the Old Testament we see that idolatry is synonymous with sexual immorality. The question is whether the sexual immorality was because it was a violation of God’s Law concerning sexuality or God’s Law concerning idolatry. Often times it was both, but the aspect of idolatry could and did convert any lawful sexual activity into sin.
People have a desire to know that what they are doing is right and this is especially important when it comes to that most intimate of activities, sexual relations. By invoking God’s name religious leaders create a moral paradigm when it comes to sex, even if God never said whatever it is they claim He said. And if lies are taught as truth long enough, people believe the lies.
People will believe a lie because they either fear it to be true or because they want it to be true. People are stupid and leaders take advantage of this. Sheep are stupid and shepherds know this.

The Churchian Idolatry of Marriage

Genesis 2:24 is a grant of authority from God to the man. “For this cause a man…( 1 ).” According to God, the individual man has the authority to begin marriage and he does so by right, because God granted him that authority. He has no need to seek the approval or permission of anyone else, he has the right to begin marriage. This follows from the fact that woman was created from man, for man, to be under his authority as his wife and the mother of his children.
The virgin is married when she is taken by a man and penetrated in the act of marriage, which is sexual intercourse. The virgin’s consent is not necessary, the act of penetration is sufficient to marry her whether she agrees or not( 2 ). For you anklebiters, the man and the virgin have to be eligible to marry in order to form a marriage so cases of incest or situations in which the virgin is already betrothed do not count. However, these exceptions so seldom occur that we can say “As a rule, all women are virgins when they marry.”
The question to ask any professional churchian is “By what right do you claim the authority to ‘preside’ over a marriage?”
Typically there is always trouble with pointing this out because everyone wants to turn it into a Catholic vs Protestant fight, but the fact is that all of this was done long, long before the great schism that split east from west and centuries before the protestant reformation that only curbed the worst of the excesses without addressing the root problems.
The Nicolaitans won and they instituted a clerical caste that lorded it over the laity in the same way that the Gentile rulers do. This began early enough that Christ stated twice that He hated the Nicolaitans and their works, and it was solidified when Christianity became the official religion of Rome. As time went by the bishops became defacto rulers in the Roman empire and wielded power as members of the government. This profoundly changed the culture of the church and there was a profound emphasis on submission to authority.
Isn’t it interesting that the word translated as “Nicolaitans” is not an officially translated word? What are the Nicolaitans and what is the sin of the Nicolaitans?
Others, from time to time, have had interesting things to say about the Nicolaitans.
H.A. Ironside wrote:
“…we have the introduction of wrong principles within — the teaching of the Nicolaitanes. Others have often pointed out that this is an untranslated Greek word meaning, ‘rulers over the people.’ Nicolaitanism is really clerisy* — the subjugation of those who were contemptuously styled ‘the laity’ by a heirarchical order who lorded it over them as their own possessions, forgetting that it is written, ‘One is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.’ In the letter to Ephesus the Lord commended them for hating the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, those who, like Diotrephes, loved to have the preeminence among them. But, in the Pergamos letter, we have Nicolaitanism designated as a distinct system of teaching. It was then that clerisy was accepted as of divine origin, and therefore something that must be bowed to.”
*Webster defines “clerisy” as: The literati, or well-educated class. *Webster defines “literati” as: Men of letters. This may only mean those who had the ability to read and write. Or, it could also include those who not only could read and write but were advancedly educated in fields of literature and possibly here in theological disciplines, whether doctrinally biblical or unbiblical.

The Sins of the Nicolaitans

After Rome fell the church was (for the most part) the last man standing in Western Europe and the change to the culture was such that the leaders were determined that the church become a large and powerful monolithic organization. Their primary enemy for hundreds of years was the landed nobility. The primary weapon the church used to bring the nobility under their power was the control of sexuality, primarily marriage.
First, they claimed that God ordained a “superior” clergy in authority over the laity. Then they claimed that the power to “bind and loose” gave them the authority to elevate the “teachings and traditions of the church” over Scripture. Not only that, they claimed the Eater Bunny was infallible… and then it really got crazy. They ignored the prohibition of Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32, re-writing the Bible as they went along.
God has two separate standards of sexual morality, one for men and one for women. This should not be difficult to understand, because men and women are not equal and certainly not the same. The root of all this crap from the church was the profoundly gnostic orientation of the patristic writers. Gnosticism, the belief that those things of the spirit are good and those things of the flesh are bad. Two of the worst infiltrators of the early church, Augustine and Jerome, were both gnostics. Augustine of Hippo was raised in the Manichean belief (Persian gnosticism) and Jerome was an adherent of the Stoic philosophy of the Romans. This is well-known to historians and the following quotes are from “Sex, Law and Christian Society in Medieval Europe” by James Brundage.
The Church Fathers’ views of sex were dominated by ascetic values, for most of the Fathers were, at one time or another in their careers, monks or hermits. The most important patristic authority on sexual matters, the one whose views have most fundamentally influenced subsequent ideas about sexuality in the West, was St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430). Augustine held strong, deep seated convictions about sexual relationships and the role of sex in human history, convictions that flowed from his own experience and his reflections upon it, convictions that brooked neither denial nor dissent.
Sexual desire, Augustine believed, was the most foul and unclean of human wickednesses, the most pervasive manifestation of man’s disobedience to God’s designs. Other bodily desires and pleasures, Augustine felt, did not overwhelm reason and disarm the will: one can be sensible while enjoying a good meal, one can discuss matters reasonably over a bottle of wine. But sex, Augustine argued, was more powerful than other sensual attractions; it could overcome reason and free will altogether. Married people, who ought to have sex only in order to beget children, can be overwhelmed by lubricious desires that blot out reason and restraint; they tumble into bed together simply in order to enjoy the pleasure of each other’s body. This, Augustine thought, was not only irrational but sinful. Augustine’s underlying belief in the intrinsic sinfulness of carnal desire and the sensual delight that accompanied sexual union became a standard premise of Western beliefs about sexuality during the Middle Ages and beyond.
Augustine wrote eloquently on the theology of sex, but he was by no means the only patristic writer to deal with the subject. His contemporaries by and large shared Augustine’s negative attitudes toward the role of sex in Christian life. A few were even more certain than he that sex was a root cause of sin and corruption. St. Jerome (ca. 347-419/20), for example, maintained that sex and salvation were contradictions. Even in marriage, coitus was evil and unclean, Jerome thought, and married Christians should avoid sexual contact whenever possible. St. Gregory of Nyssa was still more emphatic: he taught that only those who renounced sex completely and led lives of unblemished virginity could attain spiritual perfection.
Such views as these owed as much to philosophy, particularly to Stoicism, as to religious teaching, and St. Jerome explicitly acknowledged in his treatise against Jovinian that he was drawing upon Stoic sources. But although fourth-hand fifth-century patristic writers borrowed heavily from pagan sexual ethics, they nevertheless sought to legitimize their borrowings by finding support for their conclusions in the Scriptures. This sometimes required ingenious feats of imaginative interpretation, but a Scriptural foundation for their ideas about sexuality seemed essential.
God created sex and God called it good. These perverts lied and called it wicked and sinful. God created a double-standard, one for men and one for women. The gnostic perverts simplified things and required men and women to adhere to the same standard of sexual morality: sex is evil, wicked and sinful, don’t do it. This created a conflict, of course, because God gave the command to be fruitful and multiply. The result of all this was that sex within marriage was a venal sin, so obviously sex under any other condition was a mortal sin.
The problem was that wasn’t what the Bible said at all, and as professor Brundage observed, it required “ingenious feats of imaginative interpretation” to claim that’s what the Bible said. One might think this would be easy to spot, but interpretation is the key word. The pervert Jerome was chosen to make the official translation of the Bible and his choices in how specific portions of Scripture were translated continues to have a major impact, even today.
This completely anti-God view of sex caused a problem, because God commanded that mankind be fruitful and multiply. Obviously God would not command people to commit sin, so this was neatly handled with the idea that sex purely for the purpose of procreation was good, but sex for any other reason (even within marriage) was a venial sin. And, of course, if it was a venial sin within marriage then obviously it was a mortal sin if it occurred outside marriage.
In the church’s war on the nobility, several things occurred. Priests were commanded to be celibate in order that they could devote all of their time and energy to spreading the lies the Church was promulgating. They claimed that marriage, rather than being initiated by sex (as the Bible says), was only formed with the approval and consent of the church by a ceremony in which the man and woman publicly consented and committed to the marriage in public before witnesses under the authority of the church. The sex was then considered the “consummation” of the wedding and could only take place after the church had given its blessing in a ceremony.

Premarital Sex and Fornication

This created the requirement of claiming that “sex before marriage” was a sin. It should be noted that the clergy could state that “premarital sex” was a sin without lying because by definition, it is a sin.
Did you hear that boys? By definition, premarital sex is a sin. Not only that, but in cases of premarital sex, the sex won’t make you married because you must have the ceremony before you’re married.
The problem is you boys don’t know the definition of premarital sex.
The Bible does not forbid voluntary agreements and if a man give his word he is required to keep it (Numbers 30:2 and Deuteronomy 23:21-23). While it is true that when a man takes an eligible woman’s virginity they are married, the emphasis in this case is on the word “eligible”. If a man and woman engage to be married and have a specific engagement period with a wedding ceremony scheduled at the end of that engagement period, they have agreed that they won’t have sex during that period and they won’t be married until the date and time set certain.
So, if they do have sex during their engagement period prior to the wedding they are literally having “premarital sex” and by virtue of their agreement the woman is not eligible to be married until the date and time set certain, so the sex will not marry them. They have sinned (the man has) by violating their agreement. Because they have given their word, only the ceremony followed by the sex (the “consummation”) will make them married.
This is because they voluntarily agreed to these conditions, not because the Bible requires it.
Without a voluntary agreement the process defaults to the basic rules of Scripture and the man who takes the eligible woman’s virginity is married to her.
You boys from Millar Bible College recently tossed around the Greek word “porneia” which is often translated into English as “fornication”. Jordan Winsby lied about it, claiming the definition of the term “porneia” included “sex before marriage” and as such the Bible forbids “fornication”. We hear this a lot from sophisticated morons who don’t know what these words mean. In the last post I listed exactly what the Bible defines as sexual immorality.
The only thing that could be added to that list from the New Testament is the prohibition that forbids a Christian man to have sex with a prostitute. 1st Corinthians 6:15-16 does not create a new facet of sexual immorality, it’s a regulation that applies only to Christian men and the violation of that regulation is willful disobedience to Christ’s instruction. As such it is a sin. The question is, can a Christian man marry a prostitute?
Boys, I’ve stated before that you should be able to refute me if you’re correct because that would mean I’m wrong. So far the only “correction” I’ve received cited the Urban Dictionary as being authoritative. Jordan Winsby, I’m still waiting on your expert response demonstrating from Scripture that God prohibited “sex outside marriage.”
Benjamin, you should take the advice I gave Jordan. Life is hard when you’re a short ginger and you probably need a workout partner. This might give you some ideas:
DLDU7
Footnotes
(1). We see that God said it was not good for man to be alone, so he fashioned out of man the woman. Woman was created by God, from man, for man, to assist man with his mission. To be a helper suitable for him. To Man was given the command “Be fruitful and multiply…” and in order to multiply the man needs a mate. It is in taking this mate that man initiates marriage.
(2). Genesis 2:24 contains no mention of any requirement for consent by the woman. We know the consent of the woman is not required because a father can sell his daughter to be another man’s wife (concubine) as described in Exodus 21:7-10. The woman captured in battle becomes the man’s wife (Deuteronomy 23:10-14). The eligible virgin becomes the man’s wife due to being raped by him if they are discovered (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). The eligible virgin could consent to have sex (she was seduced) which resulted in her marriage, her father had the authority to forbid her agreement (consent) thereby annulling the marriage that resulted from the act of marriage that followed her agreement (Exodus 22:17). Because a virgin can be raped into marriage against her will and over her objections and she can agree to be married only to have her marriage annulled, we conclude that the virgin has no agency.

Jordan Winsby Tells Lies

jordan2 This is Jordan Winsby. He runs a website called “I Still Have Questions” on which he claims to have Biblical answers. In other words, he holds himself out to be a teacher and is held to a higher standard.
Unfortunately, Jordan tells lies. He admits he isn’t a pastor or a scholar (although he claims to have studied Greek), but that doesn’t excuse the fact he’s lying about what the Bible says. He’s making claims that only God can make. He’s judging his brothers. In short, he’s a typical churchian.
It’s reasonable to ask why I’m being so hard on this poor child when obviously his parents are to blame for him being the way he is and the answer is simple. He is living proof that not many should be teachers. The best one can say of his gross ignorance of the Bible is that such ignorance is normal these days, but he holds himself out to be a teacher and offers to corrupt people with his ignorance.
Jordan Winsby, is the Apostle Paul a liar? Either the Apostle Paul is a liar or Jordan Winsby is a liar. In a recent comment Jordan Winsby made the following claim:

 

the Bible actually says multiple times that sex before marriage is sin.

 

Regular readers of this blog already know that is a lie as well as why it’s a lie, but the churchian logic of Jordie’s reasoning is worth looking at. He said:

 

1 Corinthians 7:2 says as much by saying a man and woman should get married so they don’t fall into sexual immorality (specifically sex before marriage). People weren’t controlling themselves. Thus, sex before marriage fits under the definition of sexual immorality in which case the Bible says it’s wrong

 

In the first sentence Jordan Winsby makes the bald claim that sex before marriage is a sin with no support at all. Then he claims “sex before marriage” is sexual immorality, which means that all the passages that forbid sexual immorality include sex before marriage. In other words, “It’s a sin because I say it’s a sin!”
His comments demonstrate that Jordan Winsby has no clue what sexual immorality means. It’s not that his analysis is wrong, it’s that there is no analysis. He claims something is a sin, but God never said that. This is not a matter of opinion, it is laid out for us in Scripture. The Apostle Paul explained this in Romans 4:15 and Romans 5:13.

 

15. “for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
13. “for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.”

 

Sin is what God says it is, because God says it is. We know something is a sin because it is a transgression of the Law and we can see what the prohibitions are. Sin is also something that violates your conscience, but that only applies to you because your faith is weak. And just because your faith is weak, you don’t get to claim your brothers are in sin. But Jordan, this isn’t about issues of conscience, this is about sexual immorality. The Bible is clear what sexual immorality is. Pay attention, Jordan.
  1. A man may not uncover the nakedness of any close male relative (Leviticus 18:6).
  2. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his mother (Leviticus 18:7).
  3. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his father’s wife (Leviticus 18:8).
  4. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his sister (Leviticus 18:9).
  5. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his half-sister (Leviticus 18:9).
  6. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his son’s daughter [granddaughter] (Leviticus 18:10).
  7. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his daughter’s daughter [granddaughter] (Leviticus 18:10).
  8. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his father’s wife’s daughter by his father [half-sister by father] (Leviticus 18:11).
  9. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his father’s sister [aunt] (Leviticus 18:12).
  10. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his mother’s sister [aunt] (Leviticus 18:13).
  11. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his father’s brother’s wife [aunt] (Leviticus 18:14).
  12. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his son’s wife [daughter-in-law] (Leviticus 18:15).
  13. A man may not uncover the nakedness of his brother’s wife [sister-in-law] (Leviticus 18:16).
  14. A man may not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter [step-daughter] (Leviticus 18:17).
  15. A man may not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her son’s daughter [step-granddaughter] (Leviticus 18:17). [Polygyny ONLY]
  16. A man may not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter’s daughter [step-granddaughter] (Leviticus 18:17). [Polygyny ONLY]
  17. A man may not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her sister as a rival while the woman is still living (Leviticus 18:18). [Polygyny ONLY]
  18. A man may not uncover the nakedness of a woman during her menses (Leviticus 18:19).
  19. A woman may not have sexual intercourse following the birth of a child: for 40 days if the child is a boy, for 80 days if the child is a girl (Leviticus 12:1-8)
  20. A man may not have sexual intercourse with another man’s wife (Leviticus 18:20).
  21. A man may not have any form of sex with another male (Leviticus 18:22).
  22. A man may not mate with with an animal (Leviticus 18:23).
  23. A woman may not allow an animal to mate with her (Leviticus 18:23).
OK, that’s 14 instances of incest, 3 instances of incest that are restricted to polygynous marriages, 1 of adultery, 1 of male homosexuality, 2 of bestiality and the prohibitions against sex during the proscribed period following childbirth and while a woman is on her menses. But, did I leave something out?
What about all the instances in which sex played a part in the act of idolatry?
They aren’t sexual immorality because they’re forbidden sexual practices, they’re sexual immorality because they’re idolatry. Just to be clear, consider vaginal intercourse. That’s where your penis penetrates a woman’s vagina. Consider that the exact same act can occur under different circumstances and as you can see, the result isn’t nearly as cut and dried as you might think.
  • It’s usually perfectly legitimate when you’re doing it with your wife. (SEX!)
  • It’s forbidden to have sex with a woman too soon after the birth of a child. (SIN)
  • It’s forbidden do it while she’s menstruating. (SIN)
  • It’s adultery if you do it with another man’s wife. (SIN)
  • It’s incest if you do it with a blood relative (SIN)
  • If you have sex with your virgin babysitter, you have a second wife. (SEX!)
  • If it’s a widow and she doesn’t want to marry you, it’s just sex. (SEX!)
  • If it’s a prostitute you’ve violated the prohibition against banging whores. (SIN)
  • It’s forbidden to make up new rules about sexual morality. (SIN)
Jordan, this is your opportunity to catch a clue. You came here thinking you knew what the Bible says. Quite obviously you don’t. There is nothing in that entire list about sex outside of marriage because sex is how marriages are begun. If sex outside of marriages was forbidden then marriage would be forbidden.

Jordan Winsby Needs Help!

Jordan, there’s still hope, even for you. You’re young and you have time.
Going by your photos and your attitude, you need some serious self-improvement. That, of course, is frowned upon by the church these days. Read this essay several times, you need it. You might want to consider this one as well. You absolutely need to learn Game and I recommend The Rational Male series by Rollo Tomassi to start with and follow that up with “Married Man Sex Life” by Athol Kay. Right now you’re just a whiny gamma bitch, but the good news is there’s hope even for someone like you.
I can’t tell how tall you are but if you’re at least 5′ 10″ this should be easy for you. You have a good facial structure, you’re not fat and appear to have enough of a mesomorphic body-type that putting on muscle wouldn’t be that difficult. I recommend the book “Man 2.0: Engineering The Alpha” by John Romaniello and Adam Bornstein.
You need to join a dojo and learn how to fight. Believe it or not, getting punched in the face regularly it will do you a world of good. While Enderby is a rather small place, I notice there are several gyms, including Flow Martial Arts and Fitness. I recommend Muay Thai as a striking style and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) for a grappling style, but just learning how to box and throw a punch is more than 80% of all men ever get. The point is there are people in your area that can train you.
In terms of what you believe the Bible says, as you are now so once was I. Then I started actually studying my Bible. Forget about taking seminary courses, they don’t teach the Bible- they teach churchian doctrine and use the Bible as support. Which is not the same as teaching the Bible.
In dozens of posts on this blog I have addressed basic questions about when and how a person is actually married. What does the Bible actually say about sexual morality? It is quite obviously not what you think. What is sin? What defines sin? What about divorce? What is adultery?
Judging from your comments, you have no clue what the Bible actually says about this stuff which means you have never studied it and in all likelihood you don’t know how to study. Take the topic of polygyny, for example. Your knee-jerk reaction is probably that polygyny is wrong. I could take you through the Scriptures and show you that God doesn’t change. Then I could show you that God said He had two wives (Jeremiah 31:31-32), that God gave King David multiple wives (1st Samuel 12:8), that God regulated the practice of having multiple wives and even sometimes commanded it (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).
And if you’re like most churchian gammas, you’d still reject it all because that’s what you wanted to believe. Because tradition. Jesus had something to say about that: “In vain to you worship me, teaching as doctrine the precepts of men.”
When it comes to exegesis, antinomies are not allowed, which means you are the one engaging in eisegesis, not me. You claimed I’m trying to justify my sin yet you know nothing of me. This chart isn’t finished yet (it needs to be cleaned up a bit) because I still regularly get insights on how all this works together, but this is a roadmap. You won’t find any antinomies in it.
But, as Vox Day so eloquently put it:

I don’t expect you to agree, I don’t even expect you to understand.